Monday, June 16, 2008

Why do Anti-smackers get violent?

During the final days of collecting to get a democratic referendum on the "anti-smacking" law a disturbing story comes through from North Auckland.

This from

Anti-smakers lose their cool

By GEMMA REDDELL - Rodney Times | Thursday, 12 June 2008

Anti-smacking supporters got violent at a gathering of signatures for the Citizens Initiated Referendum campaign last Saturday.

Whangaparaoa resident Arna Mountain was gathering signatures for the petition when two women, on separate occasions, started abusing her.

She says many people were eager to sign the two petitions, which ask ‘should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand?’ and ‘should the government give urgent priority to understanding and addressing the wider causes of family breakdown, family violence and child abuse?’

She says she was shocked by what she sees as violent, anti-democratic behaviour.

"These petitions are asking for the democratic right to vote on what has been a contentious issue, but these two women seemed determined to intimidate the public and those collecting the signatures."

She says the first woman took offence to the gathering of the signatures and started yelling.

How dare we smack our children, she shouted. Mrs Mountain says she then started telling bystanders to "roll up and sign the petition that allows you to abuse your children and then kill them, yes murder them, come on sign up."

Later she was approached by another woman who asked if this was the petition to sign, then grabbed it, tore off the signed part and ripped it into pieces.

The destroyed petitions

"The woman then took the clipboard which had other completed forms underneath and took off.

I called her to give back the clipboard and the legal document she had torn. She threw it across the entrance-way and yelled about how smacking children was wrong," she says.

Mrs Mountain says that while she is shocked at the intensity of the behaviour, there are obviously a few people who are mistaken about what the petition is about.

"There are a few people who are completely unaware of the statistics that show that abuse and parental correction are completely different issues. No one in their right mind wants to abuse children. She says the vast majority of people are still against this law."

They received 144 signatures in a two-and-a-half hour period in Whangaparaoa.

Petition forms can be downloaded from under ‘referendum’ or from Orewa and Whangaparaoa libraries. The last date for signing is June 15.


Dan said...

I hope you don't tar all supporters of the bill with the same brush - everyone has the right to democratic process, and although I did support the bill, you have that right.
That being said, I think your question leaves something to be desired - perhaps "Should parents who physically abuse their children have a legal defence?" would be better. I know section 59 was no get out of jail free card for abusers, but surely this defence made the legal line where discipline becomes abuse just a little bit more extreme.
Just a thought... also I imagine you have little regard for the "inconsequential" clause, but nevertheless, surely as part of "good parental correction" you would never incur legal proceedings?

P.S. "Smakers"

Andy Moore said...

Hi Dan,

I have had many good discussions with people opposed to smacking - and/or opposed to the right of parents to choose whether or not to use a smack.

I do not tar all supporters with the same brush :)

Section 59 as it was, allowed for reasonable force, in the circumstances, and only 8 "borderline" cases ever slipped through.

There was no call whatsoever to bring in a new law which would criminalise the vast majority of parents who do know how to give a reasonable - loving smack from time to time.

I do indeed have little regard for the inconsequential clause. Firstly, this clause is a part of all such laws, and as such it is irrelevant to even bring it up.

And I am afraid to say that yes, a smack as a part of good parental correction is a criminal offence, and we are going to see this law being applied to it's fullest extent within a short period of time.

Cheers for your comments.